What I dislike is the lumping of all datacenters into one hated bucket. I suspect people don’t realize that, for example, the fediverse… exists in datacenters. Take away datacenters and the entire internet goes away.
I think what people don’t want is a bunch of shitty datacenters (meaning using shitty power sources, for example) that are being built for AI or massive government/private data over-reach.
You WANT some datacenters…
This is like being against… prepared food. Sure, cooking from scratch is better, but outlaw all prepared foods and now you will be exhausted cooking every single day. We depend on some prepared foods. What we want is less added sugar, more healthy prepared foods, safer food, at a lower cost. We want improvements, not a complete ban.
Same with datacenters.
That poor rural communities should subsidize data centers’ water and electrical consumption so that random websites can be cheaper to maintain is a weird argument but okay.
Data centers are currently unregulated, inefficient, ecologically destructive resource pits parasitical on poor communities. That’s the problem. A simple solution would be to sell them water and electricity at 1000x the cost per gallon of a regular household. If that doesn’t encourage innovation, just require data centers to purify wastewater and generate their own clean energy! Problem solved.
There is unfortunately a lot of propaganda on this subject, and it’s quite aggravating how much of the public has just bought into these ideas. A data center is no less “ecologically destructive” than any other large building project, like a meat processing plant or chemical plant, except they don’t even have to worry about food safety or chemical pollution. The only novel things about a data center are:
- Servers need a lot of electricity
- Servers need cooling
- Data centers can generate noise pollution
Does that need some level of mitigation? Of course. But, the current attitude makes people believe that they are on the level of some nuclear waste processing facility.
purify wastewater and generate their own clean energy
These are jobs for other facilities. A data center, just like 99.999% of the other buildings, are just going to buy whatever electricity is already on the grid.
If you want clean energy, promote more alternatives on the grid. Electricity is only as clean as whatever your local power plant provides.
data centers are like a meat processing plants
…which cause ecological devastation at an unimaginable scale and give poor communities cancer, so your comparison is apt.
purify wastewater and generate their own clean energy
These are jobs for other facilities.
Not anymore. Townships cannot be made responsible for the pet projects of billionaires, nor is it their job to subsidize the internet. Get your own water and clean energy or fuck off.
I want to emphasize that this is a massive compromise since my first choice is [redacted].
With how fast big tech moves to break things there‘s no time for nuance. I‘m not being sarcastic or anything. I‘m serious. We genuinely don‘t need all that computing power. It makes live only harder instead of improving it at this point because it‘s mostly used to replace us in the job market and spy on us in our free time. So yeah, fight every single data center. Fuck nuance.
Fuck nuance.
This attitude is fucking toxic. How do you think we got here? Black & white absolutism. Dumbass right-wing assholes who listen to propaganda garbage and think a 2-minute uncritical explanation of a subject is gospel, because fuck nuance, right?
These are the same dipshits who hate transpeople because “it wasn’t around 30 years ago, so it must be wrong”, and “it didn’t happen to me, so these people are just crazy”, and other fucked-up explanations. Because fuck nuance, right?
Don’t stoop to that level. We’re smart than that.
You took me completely out of context and ignored my core argument just to get hung up on a single word. So much for
We‘re [smarter] than that.
Your entire core argument was “fuck nuance”, except you used a bunch of other words to say the same thing several times. That was definitely not out of context.
With how fast big tech moves to break things there‘s no time for nuance. I‘m not being sarcastic or anything. I‘m serious.
This is “fuck nuance” with more steps.
We genuinely don‘t need all that computing power. It makes live only harder instead of improving it at this point because it‘s mostly used to replace us in the job market and spy on us in our free time.
This is applying your “fuck nuance” ideal and turning it into a concept. Because, of course, it’s a half-thought idea without any nuance, because “fuck nuance”.
So yeah, fight every single data center.
This is taking your “fuck nuance” argument and resolving it into an action.
Fuck nuance.
This is your core argument.
