I’ve been looking at phones lately and I’ve seen this company called Enough from their YouTube kickstarter video. It’s them and SLEKE (maker of OdesseyOS) working on building a nice size phone. I’m thinking of supporting their kickstarter because I am tired of these humongous phablets, and I can’t stand on how they feel in my hand when holding them.
The phone has everything I want but I am really wondering if the bootloader will be unlockable.
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Some important edits that should be added; (after looking on Enough’s website and kickstarter)
- No unlockable bootloader
- No sideloading
- On Enough’s website, storage is expandable by MicroSD or that same space is using a physical SIM card and you have the option for eSIM
- No headphone jack, but a USBC to 3.5mm converter is given if you do the kickstarter
- Stock android or OdessyOS only (from SLEKE); no flashing capabilities at all
- Replaceable battery
- Price of phone from kickstarter:
- Super Early bird price: $399 USD (sold out)
- Early bird: $449 USD
- Kickstarter special; $499 USD
- Retail price after campaign: $599 USD
5.3 inches is not a small phone
Android? Locked? No thanks, never again…
I’m blindly trying the upcoming Commode phone out. It should be small enough and it runs on Sailfish, not Android. For privacy and security, that’s of course a complete wild card and could be great or complete shit for both.
I’m hoping the Sailfish core devs have 24/7 LLMs churning on looking for and fixing security problems. Practically the only way a small team like theirs could survive in 2026-27.
I would wait for testers to do that to see how the phone functions. Even though it can run android apls, i keep wondering on how far that can be tested, cause the company is saying not all android apps will work.
what happened to #7?
WHY WAS #7 DISAPPEARED? WHAT WAS HIS OFFENSE, ENJOYING A SUCCULENT CHINESE MEAL?!
It’s the hidden feature
lol
🤣 no, that was by accident. I was trying to create a spacing but it still listed it as a numbered list.
Are there any older smaller phones that can be flashed to more modern Android versions?
ofc you can, but you have to maintain the rom yourself.
Small is the new big.
Small, if true!
Locked bootloader is a no-go for me, I’m 100% on the GrapheneOS train now. But I do hope that smaller phones make some kind of comeback, I also hate how big they’ve gotten over the years.
What’s the smallest graphene phone one can get ?
A non-XL pixel, unfortunately. They’re not huge, but they’re certainly not small.
i used a 7a because it was the smallest and not old. 8a isn’t a lot bigger.
Still bigger than my old zenfone–that also had a headphone jack. Small is good
My favorite smartphone size was sony xperia z1 mini And favorite size of dumb phone - nokia 3100
I wish I was able to experience a Nokia, they’re such cool looking phones, but Apple pushed everyone out of the US market when they came along
This device has banned sideloading. Wouldn’t go anywhere near it.
sideloadinginstalling applications from any source in a device you own.Yes, thank you for using 10 words to describe what I did in 1.
He explained in ten words what you fucked up in 1.
Their point is that “sideloading” is a PR framing device to relabel a complete reasonable action i.e. “to install any Software on your device” to something which is not intended, advised and should not be desired.
Yes, the term “sideloading” is more distinct but it carries baggage
Sideloading has been a word for installing apps that aren’t from a store at least since I started using Android in early 2010. There was never any negative connotation, aside from the acknowledgment that you wouldn’t get automatic updates.
You’re adding negative connotations to words that have none. That’s like saying that we should rename piracy to “downloading media from alternative sources” or whatever just because corpos are anti-piracy. We use these words because they are precise and concise. Big tech is anti those words. We are pro those words. The word itself is neutral. “Sideloading” is a meaningful category because big tech makes it so by forbidding it, or making users have to use workarounds to do them. “It’s not sideloading; it’s just installing apps onto the phone you own”—well, that would be lovely, but that’s not currently the case.
I’m fully aware of what their point is. My point is it’s a senseless boogeyman distinction that someone made up about a word that precedes Google, and replaces it with a much longer phrase.
Then use “Installing an app”
This device has banned
sideloadinginstalling an app. Wouldn’t go anywhere near it.Surely you can see how that wouldn’t have conveyed the message I was sending in my comment?
“Installing an app from 3rd parties”; cmon I don’t have to hold your hand :/
I think he meant “installing” but kept going.
This device has banned
sideloadinginstalling. Wouldn’t go anywhere near it.Doesn’t make much sense, does it?
Sure doesn’t.
Dam i just realized that, and now reading no unlockable bootloader either.
TL;DR: a stock Android option is available where you still can sideload
that’s only if you choose the “anti-distraction” OS where nearly no apps are available. stock android is also an option (on which sideloading is still very much possible but harder with a waiting period after the restrictions you’ve probably heard of).
i think this feature of the anti-distraction OS is probably a misstep if it can’t be overridden, but you do not have to use the anti-distraction OS at all.
Edit: Added TL;DR
It just says “Android OS”, which can mean a lot of different things. No one would actually want “stock Android”. But whatever it is is probably better than their own OS.
What do you mean “no one would want stock android”?
That’s the whole selling point of the Pixel serie phones. No 3rd party bloat or unwanted features, quick updates, etc.
They’re much closer than e.g. Samsung OneUI, though.
Android OS is just another word for Google and Oddessy Os is for someone who wants minimalistic features. I’ve seen a lot of phones pushing that lately but then they don’t have features or capabilities that they should have.
Google is not an OS.
They do have they own OS called Chrome OS (for computers) but for these phones, especially now sideloading is going to be difficult or not happen at all, you can basically call stock android, Google, cause that is all Google is gonna want you to use.
They do have they own OS called Chrome OS
Yes and they have another one called Android. Google is a search engine. And a company. Again, not an OS.
And Fuchsia! RIP Fuchsia.
WIRED says it’s stock Android.
“Stock Android” is pretty well-defined. what do you think it means?
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Locked bootloader means it’s a pass, unfortunately.
Locked bootloader, no headphone jack, dealing with a kickstarter. I’d absolutely risk the last one for the first two.
dimensions: 133mm x 64mm x 12mm
that is a chunky boy
Hey you might like this while you wait
https://cubot.net/phones/smartphones/pocket3-specs/88?l=en-us
About $250 on eBay etc
It dosent support most of the US 4g bands, unfortunatly.
Ah, sorry. My bad.
I’ve been considering this one myself but it’s a bit funky
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTmbxHQRSZ4
Dunno what your bands are there but the spec sheet has B1, B3, B5, B7, B8, B20, B28, B34, B38, B39, B40 and B41.
Might be more US friendly version? If not, I know the folks over on XDA forum tend to flash custom firmware with these.
Dam, not even close. Are band size is so small .
We have here 2,4,5,12,13,14,66,71. 13 and 71 are critical for rural coverage.
Hmm. I think the issue with all these phones is that the modems can support those bands just fine but they’re generally tuned for Asian and European markets. Predominantly because those sorts of phones sell en mass there, maybe.
For example, I have a duoquin F22 pro (think modern Nokia). I know that folks over on XDA have flashed CFW to region unlock them for US.
You might be able to find what you want (the Cubots sound like a near match) quite cheaply but you’ll have to check XDA for CFWs first. Quite a few of these phones ship with unlocked bootloaders and AOSP by default so they are pretty easy to tinker with.
Else… How do you feel about the JellyStar?
The US unfortunately has a monopolized market of either Google, Apple, Samsung or Oneplus phones. We really don’t have a lot of options unless if you buy an older phone from like 2016-2018 that can still give you LTE service, with the screen size is about 5.8 inches. Everything else is either too old/ obsolete, can’t used bands due to shutdown of 2G/3G, or it doesn’t ship here cause of lack of band support or cost.
And these niche communities of phones (unless you look at some of the privacy focused ones) is not really helping that market either.
I also tried to look up on where to buy the Duolingo F22 Pro, I couldn’t find it anywhere on where to buy i, but I know you can use it here.
I got mine off Aliexpress, fwiw.
https://www.aliexpress.com/w/wholesale-duoqin-f22-pro-phone.html
The phone itself is awesome. The T9 keyboard is ass (the membrane they used is just not good). I got mine in 2022 iirc. I cycle between my Samsung A20 (yes, it still works well, 9 yrs in) and the local equivalent of the TCL flip (android 8.1 based).
I actually just installed this on it and it’s blazing fast STT now -
https://github.com/maxmilneaus/tt9-whistle
Edit to add: I have the F21 (the smaller one, candybar). The F22 is about the same height and an iphone, except halfish of the width.
I had one but the software was ass. I only had it for 3 months before recycling it. Screen is way too small, debugging it made it hella glitchy, there’s not really a true custom rom installation for it, and launching most apps made it buggy. I got so tired of it. Then I started reading about Unihertz’s track record of their devices receiving poor software and customer support, so I decided to not deal with that company ever again.
when it comes to small screens like that, the smallest I’ll do is close to 4.3-4.5 inches. 3 is way to small.
Yeah, that was my feeling on it too. Cute, but too itty bitty. I already have an android flip phone if I want that form factor.
It sounds like the Cubots would be ideal for you…IF you can find evidence of CFW unlocking your regional bands.
Sorry dude. Chin up - they nuked 3G here entirely. Which means none of the good, old phones work at all. I have a Nokia N95 that’s awesome but I can’t do squat with it as a phone any more.
Yeah…. A lot of the older flip and small banana like phones are already out of the question cause we no longer have 2G/3G.
The only older flip phone we can use here (were you can still get a signal of course) is the CAT S 22, but the price on that one jumps so much, and personally it’s to bulky for me.
Or you can get the modern TCL flip 5g (or the older ones) but who in 2026 uses Kai0S? I wouldn’t be able to run anything on that phone, there’s no app nor security support with KaiOS.
I might have simply missed it, but I didn’t see mention of expandable storage, and the provided storage is quite small. I also specifically noted the lack of 3.5mm (they will provide a USB adapter, but those are frail and prone to failure). Bluetooth is nifty and all, but when I’m on mile 7 of a marathon or even a half and my headphones die, I will be filled with a supernova-class rage that a reliable wired option was never provided (an inevitability). All that, mixed with the low specs, is completely a nonstarter. If there was a headphone jack I might feel differently, but this ain’t it.
Slightly related concern, did anyone see that extremely condescending video from Nothing that was basically like “small phones are for nerds, and only idiots want phones thick enough for headphone jacks. Want to debloat your software? How about no OS at ALL so this expensive gadget does not function!” Talk about rage baiting. Fuck those guys.
I remember that video. I was in full support of Nothing until that came out, I lost complete respect of them after that. Just another company that went completely against their motive and a wanna be Apple😒😒
Nothing is so weird, adding AI buttons that can’t be remapped and adding lots of new unasked features to their OS.
They had a niche and botched it completely.
Their phones used to look unique too. I used to really like how they look.
I’m starting to think that Carl Pei gets off on making good but somewhat unfinished phones for a few generations and then following them up with bloated, confusing garbage. OnePlus did the same thing.
Tbh I originally thought that video was serious and got excited :(
Yeah, same. And I was not prepared for the level of outright contempt they showed toward their fans with that one. “These are our most requested features by our customers,” proceeds to call them nerds and laughs as they brag about not building said features.
Literally every feature was something that sounded good to me. Even no OS I can work with as long as I can install one. Just save me a few extra bucks that way
They do have MicroSD
They do but its in the same spot as the physical sim. So its either one or the other with esim. They have more then enough room to make a spot for physical sim and micro sd; i dont get why they didnt go that route.
Oh sick. That’s definitely a pretty big positive, then. Good lookin out
when I’m on mile 7 of a marathon or even a half and my headphones die
That’s a user error though, and only your own fault. Most BT headphones will outlast even slow marathon runners these days, so if yours die at mile 7, you’re the cause because you came unprepared by not charging your gear.
Having a wire dangling down your body for a HM or marathon would be absolute hell for me though.
In theory there are a number of “true wireless” buds that claim 4+ hours. In practice battery degradation is real. Charging can also be inconsistent. Even Apple’s own Airpods have failed to recharge inside their case for me and virtually everyone that I know that has them. Not Airpods, but my BT pair doesn’t last 1.5 hours on a full charge, anymore, and charging has become incredibly inconsistent. But you know what doesn’t need recharging? You know what doesn’t experience battery degradation and forced obsolescence? Just gimme my goddamn headphone jack. “User error” gtfoohwt
Indeed. Batteries are the reason I haven’t embraced TWS.
Check out the Fairbuds 2, then. The batteries still degrade, obviously, but you can reasonably replace them.
Not checking and double checking, and/or knowingly choosing gear with issues (low battery life or inconsistent performance) are great examples of user error. These are nothing but examples of you making the wrong decisions leading up to something (presumably) important. It’s the equivalent of complaining that wired earbuds are shit because you chose a pair with a bad wire/mini jack.
“Yes, hello, Comcast? My internet stopped working.”
“Oh, that’s user error. You should have done your research and seen that our product isn’t reliable.”
Lmao
You’re comparing apples to oranges here, because your internet connection is not something you have control over or can do anything about. Checking that your headphones are fully charged before running a marathon is absolutely something you can (and should) do something about, and you know in advance if your device has issues and should plan accordingly with a contingency. Anything less is you planning badly.
…but being surprised that Comcast is a highly unreliable ISP really is on you, that is almost common knowledge these days.
They don’t seem to understand what people actually want from phones.
If it had wireless charging, I would’ve backed the kickstarter already. Without it, I’ll hold on to my S22 for now and see how the reviews go once it’s released. But this is the size I want with most of the features I want.
The only small phone ive seen that is getting the attention it deserves is the Mudita Kompakt. Ive been paying attention to all the software updates and they look really good, plus you can sideload. Its a minimalistic e ink phone but it has way more features than the Enough Phone.
